“People in Ukraine want peace, but peace doesn’t come when a country which was invaded [stops] fighting,” said human rights activist Oleksandra Matviichuk. “That’s not peace. That’s occupation.”
At an Atlantic Council Front Page event on Tuesday, Matviichuk—winner of the 2022 Nobel Peace Prize and head of the Center for Civil Liberties in Ukraine—detailed what countries endure under Russian occupation, based on what Ukraine has faced: “torture, rape and forced disappearances, denial of your identity, forcible adoption of your own children, filtration camps, and mass graves,” she said.
Matviichuk, as a coordinator of Euromaidan SOS, has joined activists and organizations across Ukraine in documenting Russian war crimes taking place during the war. She said the group has documented over eighty thousand thus far. “But that’s just the tip of the iceberg,” she said.
“There is no legitimate reason in doing such things; there is also no military necessity in it,” she added. “Russians have done these horrible things only because they could.”
Below are more highlights from the conversation, moderated by NBC News Congressional Correspondent Julie Tsirkin.
A new precedent
- “Ukraine is just a tool” for Russian President Vladimir Putin to “break the world order” and to “change the rules of the game by force,” Matviichuk argued. She explained that through the war in Ukraine, Putin is trying to convince the world that human rights and freedom can’t “protect anyone” from war—and thus are “fake values.”
- If he succeeds, she added, “it will encourage other authoritarian leaders . . . to do the same.” She pointed out how Ukraine is being hit by Iranian drones, how China has supportedRussia’s defense industry, and how North Korea reportedly has sent both munitions and personnel to Russia.
- That authoritarian alliance, coupled with Russia’s “total impunity” on the world stage—after having committed crimes from Ukraine to Mali to Syria and beyond without punishment—has global consequences, Matviichuk argued. The world order is “collapsing before our eyes,” and the international peace system is outdated, she warned. “We have to restart this system.”
- Ukraine, she argued, could set a precedent similar to the post-World War II Nuremberg trials. “We have to establish a special tribunal on aggression now and hold Putin, [Belarusian dictator Alyaksandr Lukashenka], and other criminals accountable, and this precedent will be used for other parts of the globe in the future.”
- On whether the United Nations or the International Criminal Court will offer the avenues to hold Putin accountable, Matviichuk said, “I have hope, but hope is not a strategy. We need a strategy, and we need decisive action.”
“Extraordinary” powered by “ordinary”
- Matviichuk commended the work of “ordinary people” in Ukraine who are doing “extraordinary things,” surviving under artillery fire, conducting rescues, and providing humanitarian aid. In other countries, “ordinary people” are hosting refugees and urging their governments to provide Ukraine with weapons, she added.
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